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Recently, we have been hearing a lot about the benefits of Raw Diet.  Any wisdom out there on this topic.

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I read in one of my yahoo dog groups that the FDA is going to be stepping in and regulating some of these raw diets. I will try to find it and send it to you. I can't remember if I deleted it or not, but hopefully it will be in the archives.
I have a list of vegtables that are good for dogs. I feed them too to three times a week. Klara loves it. Gobbles it down! I put just a smige of fish oil on it. I have reserched that it is the all around best supplyment for them.

let us now what YOU find.
Klara, I'd be curious to see the list of vegetables that are good for dogs, where did you find it?
Here is the information that I promised from two different yahoo groups that deal with pet food. The first was the question that someone asked the second group after reading it and then an answer at the bottom. I tried to differentiate all by underlining or bold. No emphasis on anything. Just wanted you to know what I wrote, one yahoo group wrote and the answer from another yahoo group. Hope this helps.

Got this off of another yahoo group and was wondering if anyone else heard or new of the FDA looking into making guidelines for raw food companies?

The FDA has issued Safety Guidance with regard to the use of raw meat for pet diets.

This FDA guidance is published in the Federal Register and gives safety and nutrition information. The reason for the FDA action was due to the upswing in raw dog food diets and the fact that dog owners may not be aware of the nutritional and safety issues.

It is the finding of the FDA that raw dog food diets are not new and in fact have been used by dog racing facilities for many years.

Now the trend toward raw dog food for companion dogs presents new challenges as these dog owners may be unaware of the possible danger of using raw meat dog food.

One of the problems is that raw meat diets are classified as "foods" and as such does not need pre-marketing approval or certification.

The FDA goes on to state that data "... from commercial raw meat pet foods are sparse, the potential for risk to public health from such products is significant given the microbiological results from studies of ingredients that could compose such products....".

There is the danger of contamination from bacteria as well as potential harm that can be caused to the dogs teeth and gastrointestinal system if bone is ingested with the raw meat.

Further risks exist with regard to the possibility of raw meat dog food contamination and associated disease. These risks exist as a result of transportation, distributors and retailers. The FDA recommends minimizing these risks by the use of irradiation and proper transport and storage.

Shelly Windsor

While there's a benefit that nothing is lost in cooking, there ARE dangers in raw food and it's simply NOT true that dogs can handle the bacteria in raw food 'just fine' ALL OF THE TIME. Raw food is never recommended for pets who are immune compromised for this reason. Raw food can also contain worm eggs and freezing does not always destroy these parasites. A big problem also lies in the fact that it is difficult to be 100% certain that the raw food diet that's being fed is complete, offering all the nutrients the animal needs over time. As for dogs eating raw meat before domestication: there were no dogs before domestication. For at least 12,000 years dogs have been fed what people eat and much of it has not been meat. Do you think that hunting and gathering cultures of the past could afford to give up precious meat to feed their dogs? Or did the dogs get whatever was left over, including and mostly plant matter? A dog's digestive system is the same length, in proportion to its body, as a human's is. And we are definitely omnivores. True, dogs are in the order Carnivora -- and so are Pandas. As far as the people who prepare the raw meat, think about dogs shedding bacteria in their environment. How about a nice wet doggie kiss on the lips from a dog that's just consumed salmonella? It's against protocol to feed raw meat to therapy dogs who visit nursing homes and hospitals because of the danger of shedding bacteria and exposing the patients.

There's recent a post on this forum about a dog who tragically died of salmonella poisoning because he swallowed small pieces of cow hoof (in addition to the large piece which had become impacted). Thinking and saying that dogs cannot die from exposure to salmonella, e-coli, listeria, and other gram negative bacteria is really naive -- and incorrect.

Ann Rader
Jack -- I can't tell you were I saw this list. It's been to long ago. So.. at face value.. carrits, romain lettice, spinage, kale, collard greens. fruits= bannanas, cranberrys, blueberrys. Thats all I remember. By the way I feed boneless skinless chicken also. My vet said the dogs get the most nutrents from the meat as well as it being the safest if cooked to ( 145 ) which is rare, but kills bacterea.
I have researched quite a bit on this subject as my dogs have allergies and can't tolerated dry foods. Rocky is allergic to gluten grains, corn oils, dairy products (including soy) so feeding time was a challenge until I read a book by Dr Pitcairn, DVM. I believe it is called natural health for pets (or something like that). In this book he explains how to prepare nutritionally balanced meals for your cat or dog. He also states which foods are safe and nutritious. He also, explains the meaning behind the words on regular pet food labels (what they are and whether or not they are a good source of nutrition or just filler). It is worth the reading. I found it at Barnes and Noble bookstore in the pet section. Marla Vaughn
Marla, thanks for the imfo. I will be looking into the book
When my husband and I process the deer we shoot during hunting season, our dogs have always enjoyed raw venison. They are gluttons for a day or two! No regular meals required.
We do not give it to them raw other than when it is freshly killed. We grind the venison and place it in the freezer in ziploc bags, then micorwave it for them throughout the year.
We have to secure our garden--- otherwise we would not have vegetables to harvest. Both Reba and Blue love to pick their own beans, peas, and cucumbers. You should see now easily they shell peasa with their teeth. We cannot sit the buckets on the back porch for long as they are raided by the two hungriest dogs in Michigan.
Each time we have leftover foods, fresh or cooked, the dogs get it mixed with their kibble. They love potatoes and vegetables, salad, too. Watermelon is a favorite for them, as well. I have to watch that Blue doesn't eat any corn as he has had allergic reactions to it. ( Probably because he raided the cornfields, on his own, when he was very young).
One of the best reasons for owning a dog- no leftovers!
Yeah, I can relate. I will help mommy or daddy pick food out of the refrigerator for my breakfast and dinner. I have to smell all of the food that they pull out. That is my responsibility (food quality inspector). If it doesn't smell good I won't let them fix it. Also, I am not fond of romaine lettuce so I leave it in my food bowl and eat everything else. Mommy has given me chicken gizzards, beef tongue, and catfish before and I just pick them out of my bowl and leave them on the floor. My brother (Sam) and sister (Frisbee) usually clean up any mess I leave. Rocky
MY son, Blue, generally eats the people food and kicks his kibble on the floor... seeing as I am such a lady, I won't eat off the floor, so Mom has to clean it up. Men are such pigs!

While the FDA warnings, in some cases, are accurate, take them with a grain of salt and common sense.

Certain amounts and strains of salmonella are not harmful to dogs at all. Consider this one example: a piece of raw chicken in the fridge too long would smell "off" to humans and they would likely not eat it. However, that same piece of chicken would be fine to give to a dog.

Having said all that ...

My humans have fed a raw diet for > 25 years to our Vizslas and a Westie (only 14 years for him so far). They use a Musher's Mix blend of beef, organ, chicken, pork and fish. They also add to that a serving (weight related) of Wendy Volhard's NDF2. Finally, to help clean our teeth, we get tartar control cookies after each meal (we eat 2x per day) and free-oxygen additive to our water. Feel free to join me on facebook and you can see pictures of all these furbabies.

The Musher's Mix we get comes in 2.25-2.5Lb frozen blocks. Mommy puts 2 at a time in ZipLoc (reusable) freezer bags and starts a new block to thaw every time we eat.

Hope this helps, feel free to reply here or message me for more info if you like :)

... WB

... I should also add that I agree with some of the other postings in that if a dog is health-compromised in any way then yes, certain bacteria can be very harmful. Also that the meat must be handled and stored carefully so the humans feeding it do not introduce any new bacteria.


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